Teitelbaum - Part 1
- Philip Teitelbaum's taped recollections
- Teitelbaum immigration document - original
- Immigration records
- Teitelbaum family lineage through three generations
Top left: Harry
Top right: Philip
Bottom right: Issie
Philip Teitelbaum's taped recollections
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Our family. We were eventually 5 kids: Issie, Harry, Philip (me), Mottie, and Judy (Etie).
We lived at 6588 Cartier. In 1931 we moved back to Cartier from Marquette Street.
My father, Shai Leib, was a milkman. United Dairy Company Limited. He was a shareholder in the company.
Peter: You talked about it yesterday but just talk about this milkman job again.
Philip: United Dairy Company Limited.
Peter: And he did this for many years.
Philip: Many years.
Peter: He'd get up at 1.30 in the morning.
Philip: He was a shareholder. In that company. There was a president and there were shareholders.
I don't know like how many shares or... what influence the shares had, but I always remember in
the house "shareholder, shareholder, shareholder", and "Brettschneider, Brettschneider", I told you
about the langer and the shorter one, two brothers. "Brettschneider, Brettschneider". I always
remember hearing that all the time.
Peter: So all the milk delivery guys had some stake in it.
Philip: Yeah. They had a stake I don't know like....in the buying, and the money that maybe the company made.
I don't know anything about that....I think i was too young or something.
Peter: He'd get up at 1.30 in the morning, go to where his horse was....
Philip: Go to where his horse and wagon were. Yeah.
Peter: Reasonably close by?
Philip: Well, when we lived at 6609 Papineau, the stable was across the street, at Gaskins.
When we lived on Cartier Street, the stable was in the back.
Peter: Did the guy with the stable feed the horses and look after that stuff, or....?
Philip: No, the guy with the stable didn't do nothing. He paid him so much a month, I think it was
4 bucks or whatever a month for the horse being in the stable and the wagon being in the yard.
Peter: So he hooked up the horse,
Philip: He hooked up the horse. I remember that so well, the hitching up of the horse, pulling of the thing...
put the...you know the wagon has two things, and they go through harnesses, and the horse is in that.
Peter: Then he had to go pick up his milk.
Peter: Was that far?
Philip: Very far. You can imagine. This is Papineau between Beaubien and St Zotique. And the company
where you got your milk was on Casgrain and McGuire or Fairmount or something like that.
So you went with your horse and wagon every single day.
Philip: And then delivered and you had to come home with that too. It was horrible work.
Peter: And you said his horses were
Philip: Wildest, craziest horses imaginable.
Peter: Did he go to some market to buy them?
Philip: I don't know where he got them. He considered himself an expert on spirited horses.
Peter: So he wanted a wild horse to some extent because they were stronger and better pullers or just
Philip: I think a combination of all those.
Peter: And then he delivered....you said he delivered milk and he delivered cream.
And he'd wrap them in newspaper.
Philip: Yeah. In other words, take a sheet of newspaper with a quart of milk.....
Peter: So he had to pick up a whack of newspapers too somewhere.
Philip: You should see we had papers this thick in the room. One on top of the other, one on top
of the other. That's where Harry and I cut out our hockey players, you know, and we used to
paste them in a scrap book.
Peter: Oh yeah? Too bad you don't have that still.
Philip: It was really, really a big deal to us at that time. The Montreal Maroons.
The Montreal Canadiens. I remember the names of a lot of the players. Like the Maroons.
Lionel Conacher, Hooley Smith, Jimmy Ward, Baldy Northcott.
Peter: Toe Blake there?
Philip: I think Toe Blake came later. After. Toe Blake ended up....well, you're talking about Montreal Canadiens now.
This is Montreal Maroons. Aurel Joliet. Canadiens...
Peter: Did the Canadiens come after the Maroons or they were both there?
Philip: They were both there all the time. My team was the Maroons. We called them Maroons, they even had
a maroon-coloured sweater. whereas the Canadiens had that CH, that H or whatever, with the red
and blue, which they still have. And I remember going one time....I was in school. I went to a
practice in the forum. Baldy Northcott, my man, broke his stick. I got the broken stick. I prized
it like....Yeah that was the story of the delivering of the milk. Years.
Peter: So he'd get up at 1.30. What time did he finish?
Philip: He always came home and slept. I know that.
Peter: I'm sure he did. You have some idea of when? By noon, it must've been.
Philip: You had to be finished. Every day I know. He'd sleep in the afternoon.
Peter: How many days a week?
Philip: I don't think he ever took a day off. But I'm not 100% sure.
Peter: Did people have fridges of some kind?
Philip: Iceboxes. They would put it into their icebox.
Peter: Did they get milk every day?
Philip: Every day, delivered to the door. Or inside the door. Every single day. It was uh...
Peter: Oh yeah, you were telling me about the accounts.
Philip: My father never kept accounts.
Peter: How many clients you think he had?
Philip: I know you asked me this yesterday. Lots.
Peter: And they didn't pay you right off
Philip: You didn't even see them. You arranged they would pay at a certain time.
You delivered the milk, you didn't get paid.
Peter: So what did you do? Go around and collect?
Philip: I think it was arranged at a certain time, they'd leave it in a bottle or something.
Peter: If that's the case, people were people trusting. Leaving money and everybody knew money
was being left.
Philip: I'm vague on that part. But I know he didn't keep....I remember one incident, he said "I
remember smelling you were doing the....cokhen the gefilte fish..."...."Oh yeah,
Peter: You mean when there was a dispute about if he was paid....
Philip: And he always prided himself on this good memory thing.
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